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Hair-raising hair-splitting in the commercial sector

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Hair-raising hair-splitting in the commercial sector

Postby Jim Plante on Thu May 22, 2008 6:06 pm

Got this from the AI forum. Never seen so much hair-splitting in my life. But these split ends can leave you with a really bad bad-hair day.
Calculations of value still a ‘high wire act’

Responding to the recent item “Is it safe to perform a calculation of value?” in the BVWire™, appraiser and attorney Bernie Agin explains a common difficulty: “In Ohio, our [marital dissolution] statute says ‘every’ asset must be valued by the court. To fail to do so is asking for a reversal,” he says. “Now comes Gino's Pizza Shop as part of a divorce case. The marital estate can not justify a full ‘Conclusion of Value’ or ‘Opinion of value (big 'O’), so a Calculation of Value is undertaken with the hopes the case will settle.” But should the parties go to trial, “both the engagement letter and the calculation of value report point out the limitations and scope,” Agin says, “and contain an explicit statement that a calculation of value is not an Opinion of value and the differences might be significant.” To be accepted as an expert witness, “the magic words are ‘opinion (little ‘o’) to a reasonable certainty as to value.” In addition, Agin has spoken with a local judge, who indicates “no problem” with opinion testimony regarding a Calculation of Value so long as there is full disclosure as to its limitations and full discussion of its differences with an Opinion of Value.

So is it now safe? The problem isn’t that appraisers shouldn’t (or can’t) perform a calculation of value in these situations. It’s that, at the end of the day, “the only thing that anyone will remember is that you did not do a complete job,” says Gary Trugman, and “it will be the professional’s reputation that is hurt. While I understand that the small businesses are hard to cost-justify,” he adds, “our malpractice policy does not specify whether we are doing jobs for large businesses or small.”

“I completely concur,” says Ron Seigneur. “Under our professional standards, like them or not, a calculation is not a conclusion and, in my humble opinion, does not rise to the level of anything that one would want to wrap a professional opinion around. Saying that you can testify that the calculation ‘is correct within a reasonable certainty’ is like saying you are half pregnant,” he adds. “I do understand that some courts require all assets to be valued,” but just leave it as calculated numbers, leave out the “reasonable certainty” and in turn save your reputation.

“The point we all made in the BVResources teleconference (April 30th),” says Stacy Collins, “is that it is getting to be more and more of a high wire act to do the small cases in a litigation context, where we have to balance the fee issue with the scope of the work and maintain our professional reputation at the same time. Many valuation professionals are still coming to terms with what the new valuation standard (SSVS 1) means to their practice,” she says. “It’s important to have discussions like this to address the risks of this type of assignment.” For your “Conference on Demand Pack” of “Valuing a Very Small Company,” including transcript, CD, ancillary reading materials, MP3 recording, and more, click here.
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Postby Edd Gillespie on Thu May 22, 2008 6:28 pm

This isn't such an new problem and it is similar to the one residential appraisers face almost daily. If you are a licensed appraiser and the client wants a "comp check" that this judge calls a calculation you are SOL. No business for you. Soon the pendulum will swing back to appraisals, but for now faster-cheaper rules and USPAP is interpreted as permitting only Cadillacs.

We licensed folk have improved ourselves right out of that kind of work.
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Postby Joker on Fri May 23, 2008 9:59 am

I don't understand the problem. What am I missing? I'll take the small business these egg heads are afraid of.
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Postby Edd Gillespie on Fri May 23, 2008 10:44 am

Joker wrote:I don't understand the problem. What am I missing? I'll take the small business these egg heads are afraid of.


The chronic circle of solving the low pay problem/appraisal quality synapse is to find somebody who says they can do the same quality work for less. It is past time for the profession to quit demanding Rolls Royce appraisals for Ugo prices. The clients are going to win (correction: are winning) this. Or job is figure out how to make 'em pay for what we are supposed to give 'em or give 'em what they pay for. So far we aren't even acknowledging there is a problem except with the appraisers. Dumb and dumber.
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Postby Joker on Fri May 23, 2008 11:05 am

We can be consultants plus we have the SOWR and 3 reporting options. What's the problem?
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Postby Jim Plante on Fri May 23, 2008 11:11 am

Can't be a consultant and a D3P at the same time.
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Postby Joker on Fri May 23, 2008 11:12 am

Really? Why not? I do it.
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Postby Edd Gillespie on Fri May 23, 2008 11:24 am

Joker wrote:We can be consultants plus we have the SOWR and 3 reporting options. What's the problem?


Same old, same old. Support and pay for what you say. Which leads us to time, experience and making a living. What the heck is D3P? Is it another version of a C3PO or a R2D2? Maybe it is an AVM.

I mean you have the same problema. Both consultants and appraisers are supposed to know what they are doing. Does USPAP not apply to consulting or are the standards just relaxed? And then how can you give any kind of a credible or even useful consultation, especially in forensics and sworn expert testimony, about value if you didn't appraise the damned thing?

Calulation value my ass.
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