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Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Mako on Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:03 pm

Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday
The U.S. House and Senate are close to an agreement to extend the home buyer tax credit due to expire at the end of this month.

The Senate is expected to vote Wednesday while the House could approve it later in the week – likely before Friday when the monthly report on the unemployment rate will be released.

The measure that is slated to pass would cover homes under contract by April 30. Also, anyone taking the credit from a home purchased in 2010 would be able to take the credit when they pay their 2009 taxes.

First-time home buyers would be eligible for $8,000, but purchasers don’t have to be first-time buyers. Anyone who has owned a home for at least five years could get a $6,500 credit on a new residence.

Income limitations rise under the new plan with individuals earning up to $125,000 a year and couples earning up to $225,000 eligible. People who earn more would be eligible for smaller credits.

Source: The New York Times, Jackie Calmes (11/4/2009)


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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Senior Jefe on Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:40 am

If it's approved, at what point will the fake housing market end? Every time you turn around the NAR is releasing new figures pointing to a recovery which is no more than flashes of light from all the $8,000 checks being tossed around.
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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Mako on Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:43 pm

Senior Jefe wrote:If it's approved, at what point will the fake housing market end? Every time you turn around the NAR is releasing new figures pointing to a recovery which is no more than flashes of light from all the $8,000 checks being tossed around.


It passed yesterday.

And I'll take the flashing lights. We've closed 3 in the past few weeks, have another in the pipeline ready to close next week. We have 4 listings, we have 3 offers on new homes - 1 under contract mutually accepted, 2 more under counter (both will probably come together). We have 10 hot prospects (definite buyers & sellers), and another 40 potential prospects.

I like working! The mattress was going kind of flat. This all means work for appraisers too!

Having said that...I am expecting a W shaped recovery. Better make hay while the sun's shining & re-stuff the mattress.
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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Steve Owen on Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:50 pm

Mako wrote:
Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday
The U.S. House and Senate are close to an agreement to extend the home buyer tax credit due to expire at the end of this month.


That's too bad.

While I feel some empathy for your individual plight, I agree with SJ. We need more valid economic principles and less sucking at the public trough.
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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Senior Jefe on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:22 pm

To be consistent, I cannot support it. It's welfare no matter how anyone wishes to define it. I remember as a kid all of the big shot cowboy/rancher/farmers with all their big farm toys and monster trucks, all emblazoned with the American flag who would be the first to criticize the excesses in the welfare system via social services, if anyone reminded them that the way they get most of their subsidy money from the treasury is essentially the same thing, elect politicians that will send you money, they would be ready to fight. That's exaclty why this country is in the mess it's in, every special interest group wants their own entitlement, yet they see waste everywhere else. The good news is there will be plenty of foreclosures through 2012 now. I'll have to readjust my game plan a bit.
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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Mako on Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:36 pm

Steve Owen wrote:While I feel some empathy for your individual plight,..."


We're not in a "plight," at least not yet - in fact business is picking up significantly. We've gone through a couple of VERY slow years, however, unlike many of our colleagues (and others in similar industries) we are VERY frugal, and live well beneath our means. :wink:

In fact while I was typing the above; the Misses just called & told me she thinks another deal that we weren't counting on...looks like it might come together after all! :TU:

Senior Jefe wrote:To be consistent, I cannot support it. It's welfare no matter how anyone wishes to define it.


I find it beneficial from time to time to take my old appraisal books off the shelf, dust em off, and give em another read.

The tax credit is one of FOUR FORCES that impact value - specifically GOVERNMENTAL FORCES. The other three forces would be SOCIAL FORCES, ECONOMIC FORCES, & ENVIRONMENTAL FORCES.

These FOUR FORCES have been recognized & known to impact value long before any of us were born.

GOVERNMENTAL FORCES have always impacted value. Without GOVERNMENTAL FORCES the situation could be much, much worse & people would then be complaining the government wasn't doing enough. :WM:

The IRS has stated that some 1.4 million people claimed the tax credit thusfar. Others have said that translates to some 60% of current sales since the tax credit was implemented.

I support measures that will stimulate the economy. The government better do something about all the jobs that have evaporated though, and if there's anything that DOES NOT deserve your support...it's PelosiCare!!!
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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Steve Owen on Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:46 am

Senior Jefe wrote:That's exaclty why this country is in the mess it's in, every special interest group wants their own entitlement, yet they see waste everywhere else.


Amen, brother!

It always amazes me that people who are fiscally responsible when it comes to handing out social security benefits to the disabled are economic liberals when it comes to spending government money for their own interests. We have to find balance. IMHO, that balance, in the end, is for government to do its job, which is outlined in the Constitution. With respect to Congress...

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.


That's it, brother. If it ain't there, or provided by Amendment, they can't do it. If we would just get back to requiring each and every Congressperson to consider the limits on their powers it would be a huge step forward.
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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Senior Jefe on Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:14 pm

I no longer get angry; I’m beginning to find humor in it. I’m finishing an REO assignment. Plain Jane vinyl house on slab, built and sold in 2006 for $160,000, mortgage of $160,000, one of those 100% government goody loans, it’s in great shape for an REO, power is on, everything is working, listings and sales put it in the range of $100-110 K. The fun part is the active listings and recent sales of NEW construction. There are dozens of similar properties listed between $175-190K and recent NEW sales between of $150-170, meanwhile, REO and short sale activity is excessive. The funniest part is in all the listing information for the new homes they reference the $8,000 Obama give away money everywhere. Their newspaper ads abd billoboards have $8,000 in huge letters. WTF is our country coming to? Empty houses surrounding the new ones, but those empty ones have to be in “Average” condition to get the Obama money. Of course most lenders won’t spend $10 on those vacant homes. It gets even funnier, now Fannie has become the biggest landlord in the world. All the investors and I use that term loosely who jumped into the SFR rental game will be competing with Fannie as the mother of all landlords. The last frontier in real estate will be properties high enough to be out of the reach of the subsidy scam.
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Re: Senate May Approve Tax Credit Wednesday

Postby Mako on Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:31 pm

Well...I can see my GOVERNMENTAL FORCES thread went unread.

DAMN! I even capitalized & bolded those words the first time. :(
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