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Edd Gillespie wrote:

benluby wrote:That is how they teach the appraisers I know. Every person who has attended the schools gets that information.

So, how did it happen that you took it seriously? There is a lot of evidence that suggests the conslusion that al levels these prohibitions are given lip service and the real message is, don't get caught catering to the lender's need for value.

How did I take it seriously? Because some things are more important than making money to me. Such as my ethics and the ability to talk to my kids about responsibility and morals, and look them in the eye when I do it.
I took it to be what it was meant to be. A trust, and I intend to uphold it, even if I wind up as the WalMart door greeter because of it.

benluby wrote:

Edd Gillespie wrote:

benluby wrote:That is how they teach the appraisers I know. Every person who has attended the schools gets that information.

So, how did it happen that you took it seriously? There is a lot of evidence that suggests the conslusion that al levels these prohibitions are given lip service and the real message is, don't get caught catering to the lender's need for value.

How did I take it seriously? Because some things are more important than making money to me. Such as my ethics and the ability to talk to my kids about responsibility and morals, and look them in the eye when I do it.
I took it to be what it was meant to be. A trust, and I intend to uphold it, even if I wind up as the WalMart door greeter because of it.

Interesting how ethics really is a matter of character and how character resonates perfectly with ethics. Welcome to the greeters club. It may be that nice guys finish last, but you know what, they always finish.

My character and ethics were forged with a leather strap, lots of chores, and a father that would never flinch from what he knew was right.
It rubbed off. Raised my kids pretty much the same way. If they are wrong, then they get it. But, if they are right, I'll stand by them to the end. And lying only leads to more trouble.
I think I am in good company with you guys. Where'd my vest get put?

Character is no doubt one of those things that is imposed by the environment. And when it is something emphasised when you are a child, there is hardly an alternative that can occur to you.

Aristotle is quoted as having said we are all in the process of becoming. It is much more difficult to teach adults character when there are so many distractions, but I think there is an obligation to do so, particulary when a business, such as appraising, pays dividends to cheaters.

Holy cow! Edd, Rex: You guys really take bracketing seriously

My view, a 5 year rule may be a crude tool that falsely rejects/excludes quite a few capable appraisers from review, but I think 5 years experience does dry up some of the wet behind the ears, no matter how good someone is after year 1, for example. It certainly is an arbitrary standard, but would refine out some beginner mistakes.

Some people get less than a years worth of experience out of 20 years. Just a fact. Typical bell curve results should be expected with such a large sample size

I think it would be fun for both of you to go back and distill the general point of each response so that unnecessary personalization is removed, and paste it in under the original posts for comparison.

Example: Edd(or Rex) you %#*XXX, could be expressed as Edd (or Rex), I favor view on the matter of*****

The one that posts the best kiss ass rewrite of their post which still clearly communicates their differences, wins!

Mentor wrote:Holy cow! Edd, Rex: You guys really take bracketing seriously

My view, a 5 year rule may be a crude tool that falsely rejects/excludes quite a few capable appraisers from review, but I think 5 years experience does dry up some of the wet behind the ears, no matter how good someone is after year 1, for example. It certainly is an arbitrary standard, but would refine out some beginner mistakes.

Some people get less than a years worth of experience out of 20 years. Just a fact. Typical bell curve results should be expected with such a large sample size

I think it would be fun for both of you to go back and distill the general point of each response so that unnecessary personalization is removed, and paste it in under the original posts for comparison.

Example: Edd(or Rex) you %#*XXX, could be expressed as Edd (or Rex), I favor view on the matter of*****

The one that posts the best kiss ass rewrite of their post which still clearly communicates their differences, wins!

That is over yodamilt. Ol history. I'm leaving my posts, not for what they say, but because I recovered from what ever it was I suffered from. Rex didn't deserve what I said to him and about him and that has been pointed out to me several times. I'm sorry and the posts stay as a monument to my weakness and stupidity. Its over.

"and the posts stay as a monument to my weakness and stupidity. Its over."

I missed the wrap up, I guess. No matter, I too, have moments of weakness and stupidity imbedded in posts to some degree or another, all over the place. Luckily, I have many more posts, written when I was clear thinking and in a good mood (so I think). It all averages out, right?

Edd, as usual, does what is right. One of the things we sought when this forum was developed was that a lack of moderation can be a pretty good thing....that grown ups can disagree, get angry, say things they shouldn't perhaps, but work their way through it in a mature manner that speaks well of both their integrity and their maturity. None of us really needs a nanny to make sure we don't make naughty.......

Edd, you and Rex are both tremendous assets to this community and the profession in general. Thanks

Actually, thanks for bringing me back to this, Mentor, as I have been thinking about it, and realized something, based off your comment about arbitrary numbers.
Not truly arbitrary, in this situation. You can't get a drivers license until you are sixteen. You cannot register to join the military until you are eighteen, and cannot drink until 21.
Arbitrary, yes, but based on averages. I'd have to agree that, typically, an appraiser should have five years of experience before being allowed to review.
My reasoning? On averabe, if someone has survived appraising for five years and upgraded to at least licensed status, they should know what they are doing by then.
It may appear arbitrary, but I do think both were right in a way, and a meeting in the middle is required.