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**Jim Plante** · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: More info for trainees in TN

From the July minutes of the TREAC:

DB · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:23 am Post subject:

Once again, this is where I see the advantage of having a certified appraiser in the administrative director position. Nikole is able to give direction and advice to the members of the board from a practical and "in the trenches" point of view, which they apparently not only needed, but appreciate. Having REAL information, helps the board to be better at what they do and gives them the "oomph" that they need to get things done.

I know I sound pointed because she is a friend of mine, but I am sincere in my contention that she has made a difference in this state for appraisers and has given the board what they needed .... a real kick in the pants ... and a mass "eye opening" to what is really going on in this industry.
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**Jim Plante** · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:07 am Post subject:

Hell, Doug, before she took over as director, we didn't even have these minutes generally available. If you read'em from January 07 forward, you see progressively better detail and organization. You also see a board capable of recognizing a BS complaint and treating it accordingly. I think the present crop of folks in Nashville is a credit to the profession, combining the best of both safeguarding the integrity of the profession, and safeguarding the appraisers whom they regulate.
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**Mr. Knowitall** · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:09 am Post subject:

Well I see you all are "Certified Residential Appraisers"...Well here in Nevada I say big whoopie! Being a certified residential appraiser used to mean something, like you had real experience. I don't know how many interns I have seen here go straight from internship to Certified Residential. It reallly sucks!!! flip off

DB · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:17 am Post subject:

Well ... in TN it still means something ... Wink

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**Jim Plante** · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:32 am Post subject:

Knowitall,
What would you have them go to? Here, after proving education and experience, they must first pass a board review of their work. Now that could be faked; they could send in someone else's reports with their name on them.

But then they must survive a face-to-face interview with one or more board members. There are at at least two members who are unafraid to say, "You haven't got the slightest idea what you're doing, do you?" The other seven are more tactful. If you do know your stuff, your interview will last about a half-hour unless you start an argument about something. If you're really stupid, it can last about the same amount of time, but for a different reason.

Now, after you've survived that review and interview, you get permission to go take the certification test.

So if an intern gets through all that, please tell me the reason(s) why you think that the intern should not be certified.
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DB · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:56 am Post subject:

TN also has another provision, and it is the one that I took .....

You complete your hours and submit your education and experience to the board along with a $50 check, and they approve you to take the test .... once you pass the test, you send in the original of your test scores and THEN you schedule with the board ... I did it that way to send a message to the board that I was serious enough about being an appraiser to not waste their time with an interview, if I couldn't pass the test ... and selfishly, to hope that since I had already passed the test, they might go a little easier on me in the interview .... BTW ..... they didn't ....
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**Jim Plante** · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:57 am Post subject:

DB, I don't think you thought that through.

It's cheaper to schedule the free interview, and see whether you escape with your ass intact. If you don't, there's no need to pay for a $100 test.

You ain't gonna get any slack from that board. If you later turn up with an egregious complaint against you, the egg is on their faces with the AQB for approving you in the first place. Always take your courses from the instructor who has the reputation of being a mean SOB. You will always learn more, and better, from such a teacher.
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DB · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:21 am Post subject:

Cheaper? Yes ....

But jim you have known me long enough and well enough to know that I don't prepare for failure ... I only have 2 speeds ... dead stop .. and wide open ... Wink

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WM · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:39 am Post subject:

I like Tennessee's interview idea.

Florida does not have the same. You can receive all your "training" from an idiot. Study hard and pass the test & they give you the certification, but you were still trained by an idiot.

It has gotten somewhat better now that they require sample reports. However, there is still room for improvement.

(Of course, if I was a trainee faced w/ the interview I'd be saying something else. Wink

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**tel** · Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject:

Part of that trainee's problem could have been negated by the state issuing every trainee (upon becoming a trainee) a list of licensing requirements. This list could be shared with the mentor...so the mentor does not screw up.
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DB · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:11 am Post subject:

I am sure that I am alone in my opinion .... but if you are going to take on a trainee ... you better damn well know the rules ...
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**Jim Plante** · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:09 am Post subject:

tel,
The "rules," both for upgrading and for operations, are available to all in TN by a quick click on the TREAC website. Every appraiser in TN should have that site bookmarked.
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**tel** · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:

I think before an appraiser is permitted to supervise anyone, they should be required to take a course about how to supervise/train/mentor. Class could count for CEU's. Maybe trainee's should be required to take the same 3-4 hour course....this way they would know what is right and wrong. Might help to slow down or stop skippy training.
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