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Umm, Has anyone here ever heard of Zaio?

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Postby Annemieke Roell on Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:47 am

Here ya go, george ;)

Zaio Corp. (ZAO:TSXV)
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Zaio Corporation engages in the development and maintenance of site-verified database of photos, valuations, and property information of various properties using a proprietary GeoScore property rating system in the United States. It offers GeoPic, a photographic database that includes approximately 75 million property photos. These residential photographs are combined with an analysis of the value and selling appeal of various residential properties in a particular city and contain information, such as property sales figures, assessment data, an analysis of local market issues and trends, and an exterior inspection and signature of a local professional appraiser. Its GeoScore database is acc...

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www.zaio.comTop Compensated Officers
Mr. Thomas J. Inserra
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Total Annual Compensation: $218.5K Mr. Rodney Mitton
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Total Annual Compensation: $100.0K

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Compensation as of Fiscal Year 2006.Key developments
Zaio Eyes Buys
08/21/2007
On July 16, 2007, Zaio Corp's subsidiary Zaio Inc. closed a previously announced transaction to acquire the assets of Kirchmeyer & Associates and Real Info Inc. This acquisition will allow Zaio Corp to substantially increase its rate of photography and accelerate its current 5 year plan. At the same time, management of Zaio is continually exploring opportunities to align with other strategic partners in the valuation industry and will consider further acquisitions that allow it to penetrate its various markets sooner.

Zaio Corp. Reports Earnings Results for the Second Quarter and Six Months Ended June 30, 2007
08/20/2007
Zaio Corp. reported earnings results for the second quarter and six months ended June 30, 2007. For the quarter, revenue increased to CAD 1.7 million ($1.5 million) compared to CAD 25,000 ($22,000) in the second quarter of 2006. The net loss for the three months ended June 30, 2007 was CAD 2.8 million or $0.076 per share compared to a net loss of CAD 172,000 or $0.006 per share for the same period in 2006. For the first six months, total revenue increased to CAD 1.8 million ($1.6 million) compared to CAD 62,000 ($54,000) for the first six months of 2006. Net loss for the first six months of 2007 was CAD 3.8 million compared to CAD 377,000 ($331,000) for same period in the prior year.

Zaio Corp., Q2 2007 Earnings/Operating Results Call, Aug-20-2007
08/15/2007
Zaio Corp., Q2 2007 Earnings/Operating Results Call, Aug-20-2007

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There is an interesting graph about the stock performance as well which didn't copy. But it can be found here:

http://investing.businessweek.com/resea ... Id=3218277
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Postby Annemieke Roell on Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:50 am

And here is some more. Don't know what the source is ..... got it in an email from my brother:

DANGER OF ZAIO Corporation

Zone Appraisal & Imaging Operations
they're building a better AVM



This company has its head office in Calgary, Canada. Their intent is to come up with a more accurate automated valuation database that includes photographs of the exterior of each residential property in the U.S. They want appraisers themselves to provide these pictures, along with a written description of the home(s) and neighborhoods they're in; so that ZAIO can gain leverage with lenders by telling them an actual experienced and licensed appraiser provided this information.

The reason? This Canadian company wants to be on the forefront of providing Lenders with data they can use to do more Automated Valuations Modules (AVM).
Any appraiser who provides data that will be used by these Automated Valuations is cutting their own throats, and the throats of their fellow appraisers. They are virtually guaranteeing that they themselves will probably see their appraisal workload cut in half (or more) in the future.


Automated Valuations started out several a years ago with data collected from County Assessor and local Assessor records. For a few years, Lenders went "wild" using these. They were thrilled that companies selling this data to them only charged them $20-$30 and no live Appraiser was needed. This meant that Loan Officers could make the loan based on nobody ever seeing the exterior of the property. Well, as they soon found out many of the loans made based on these Automated Valuations turned out to be rotten loans for several reasons.

Appraisers know that a home across the street from oceans and lakes are sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars less than the waterfront home on the same street. Homes surrounded by "crack homes" and "eye sore" homes, or in run down neighborhoods are not comparable to homes in good neighborhoods. Appraisers can see this, but Automated Valuations can not.

County data, and Assessor data was never really that up to date data. Much of this is 10 or more years behind. If anyone relies solely on this data to any sort of valuation, versus a live appraiser seeing the subject property and all comparables, they are living in "fantasy land" -- if they think they will come up with any value that represents the true market value. County data and Assessor data may takes years to reflect that new two story, 800 square foot addition in the rear or side of a property. Forget the inground pools or new kitchens put in last year.

On October 14th, 2006 the CEO of ZAIO, Thomas J. Inserra posted at our Appraisal Talk Message Board the following; "Our written contracts that we sign with appraisers REQUIRE us to pay appraisers in cases when we sell valuation products to lenders. Thus, the contract is specifically designed to prevent ANY DATA or ANY valuation product from ever being sold UNLESS the appraiser is paid. That means we are purposely trying to keep the appraiser as the most important part of the valuation process." As you can see, ZAIO's game plan seems to be to both sell analyzed appraiser data and software to lenders.

At first they will pay appraiser's "chump money" for their data so that lender's can automatically populate 2055 driveby forms. So soon appraiser's will see much less 2055 "driveby" work, as lender's will be doing them automatically, complete with analyzed (versus raw) appraiser data. Then they will move into other appraisal types.

Read More on this subject here:

http://appraisercentral.com/AVM.htm

The BIG AVM Lie
Automated Valuation Models (AVMs)
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Postby Edd Gillespie on Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:02 am

George Hatch wrote:Okay, I don't want to run afoul of the code of conduct here so I'd like to know where lie my boundaries.

1 - Do I still need to keep the lyrics of "Kumbaya" at my fingertips or is it okay to be straight up with someone when they're whining?

2 - If some suit comes on here trying to blow their corporate line past us like we're idiots is it okay to tell them that we don't appreciate being lied to or do I have to cede them enough room to carry on?

2a - Is it okay to use the term "AVM Buzz" or do I have to revert to the proper name?

3 - Does Edd still need a translator?
Say what?

4 - Am I gonna get dinged by a certain duck for using the word "alot", or can I just loose my way on ocasion without worrying about the gramar/spelling police?


Enquiring minds want to know.


We are discriminating against the mindless pursuit of santized posts, but that is about it. Oh I forgot, Otis is the lightning rod over here. Feel free to abuse him at will. GP is our ethics complaint department, and if you have a complaint you must deposit a six pack with the complaint or it will be rejected. A case of beer gets an automatic fast track of 18 months turn time for the complaint.

And George, since TC is sleeping on the job, minds inquire. I don't know what enquiring is unless it has to do with Bobby Bucks and mental masturbation. Look up mental masturbation on the "Bobby Buck is Back" thread.

I have come to the conclusion that mental masturbation brings us USPAP changes and comments. Thank god there is no viagra for that!

What else can I say to provoke you George?
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Postby TC on Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:49 am

Daffy wrote:This board finally has credibility to make up for TC's presense.



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Postby Mako on Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:32 pm

George Hatch wrote:4 - Am I gonna get dinged by a certain duck for using the word "alot", or can I just loose my way on ocasion without worrying about the gramar/spelling police?


Was that a trap :shrug:

ZAIO is an asian state of mind...kinda like ZEN
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Postby George Hatch on Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:29 pm

Was that a trap?


Besides the dreaded "alot" I made sure to include 3 spelling errors in that sentence. As I said, I wanted to see just how far I could push the limits.

And FTR, I probably know about as much as any outsider can know about Zaio. Since the beginning of the year I must have spent at least 40 hours jousting directly with Tom Inserra and Ken Verrett via e-mails, and that doesn't count my public exchanges with them and their acolytes on the other board.
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Postby Jim Plante on Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:25 pm

Verrett's in the middle of that? I thought he knew better.
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Postby Otis on Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:39 pm

Jim Plante wrote:Verrett's in the middle of that? I thought he knew better.


So did I - oh well.
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Postby Edd Gillespie on Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:11 pm

Jim Plante wrote:Verrett's in the middle of that? I thought he knew better.


I talked with Ken about it and he is an enthusiastic recuiter and teacher of Zaioisms. Then he posted a hold harmless agreement he said he found no problem sith signing an then after some disagreement form me and encouraging everyone to comnsult an attorney in whom they have confidence before singing any hold harmless agreement he said he didn't no dad gummed lawyer to advise him in making business decisions. I never told him I live with a lawyer and now I fear the relationship is damaged before it was born. I had heard good things about Ken, but what happened to him? My impression isn't so good.
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Postby Jim Plante on Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:35 pm

Well, I think he's got his own opinions, and unless you agree with him (which you are free to do), he doesn't want to waste time with you.

Had a brief sortie with him over Peak Oil on the AI Forum a while back. He thinks we've hit Peak Oil, and the world's about to go to hell in a handbasket. He doesn't consider that with oil at $80/barrel, oil shale production is feasible. Oil shale reserves aren't factored into the Peak Oil scenario he's looking at. Oil shale deposits in north america dwarf the deposits in the middle east. The argument I made to Ken was that the law of substitution would bear on this like any other economic problem. He wouldn't buy it. Never heard from him again. Oil shale came into focus a short time after that discussion.

I would have thought a guy like Ken would have run the numbers on Zaio's zones. I figured about $2200/yr EGI per zone. That isn't enough for me to even look at it further.
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Postby Edd Gillespie on Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:56 pm

Jim Plante wrote:Well, I think he's got his own opinions, and unless you agree with him (which you are free to do), he doesn't want to waste time with you.


Sounds like he has the W complex. When you stop listening you stop learning, and that is the way it is.
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Postby Skippy Skipperson on Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:39 pm

I was thinking about buying a zone. I think it's a great idea and all of you are going to be sorry that you have missed out.
We pay $65 Drive-bys and $85 1004s. No experience necessary! Sign up today!! 2 hour turnaround required!
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